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5 but fit big & closer to US12
both have waffle sole
xl (pit to pit measures 61cm
black/grey/black canvas
the left footbed has torn away down to the arch however will not effect wear & is an easy repair
vintage van's style #86 ~ US8.5 tapestry 5 but fit big &vintage vans style #86 lampin' navy charcoal suede made in usa circa 1993 used US8. 5? UK7. 5 8 (gum waffle outsole portion measures 27. 4cm) very good used condition. no oustanding flaws. photos dont do justice to the toes heels arcs which are clearly navy blue in person.
